Monday, June 9, 2008

Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

Sorry to burst the bubble, guys, but if a Euro-woman thought you were all "cute" and "american" back in the 1980s, she was likely comparing you to Ronald Reagan or Michael Jackson, our giant cultural symbols of the day, neither of which could possibly end well. Then again, if she was really Euro-fun and not faking the accent to amuse a bunch of CS geeks, she may have been comparing you to Duran Duran.
I did put “cute” in quotes, because I knew definitions would vary between the Euro-woman and myself.

And being to compared to Duran Duran is great if she was thinking Simon LeBon. Cute-as-a-button that eurotrash piece of work! (yes, I called him eurotrash, in a good way!)

Pete

Sunday, June 8, 2008

Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

Sorry to burst the bubble, guys, but if a Euro-woman thought you were all "cute" and "american" back in the 1980s, she was likely comparing you to Ronald Reagan or Michael Jackson, our giant cultural symbols of the day, neither of which could possibly end well. Then again, if she was really Euro-fun and not faking the accent to amuse a bunch of CS geeks, she may have been comparing you to Duran Duran.

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Mary McFarlane, PhD
xzm3@cdc.gov
404 639 8309


----- Original Message -----
From: zero-bounces@spoetzl.net <zero-bounces@spoetzl.net>
To: Rich Holloway <rlholloway@bellsouth.net>; Zero List <zero@spoetzl.net>
Sent: Sun Jun 08 13:57:59 2008
Subject: Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

* A 'best costume prize' consisting of an A&P Frozen Pizza (possibly won by Halla Abdalla-- don't remember)



No No NO. The best costume prize was won by some European chick (french I believe) who stumbled into our party through no fault of her own (came with someone from the department, but was not a CS geek) who thought we are all "cute" and very "american". And at the time I seem to remember that her translation of what we were saying was probably NOT the same as we intended.

She probably thought we wanted her to cook a pizza for us! ;-)

Pete

Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

  • A 'best costume prize' consisting of an A&P Frozen Pizza (possibly won by Halla Abdalla-- don't remember)

No No NO. The best costume prize was won by some European chick (french I believe) who stumbled into our party through no fault of her own (came with someone from the department, but was not a CS geek) who thought we are all “cute” and very “american”. And at the time I seem to remember that her translation of what we were saying was probably NOT the same as we intended.

She probably thought we wanted her to cook a pizza for us! ;-)

Pete

Saturday, June 7, 2008

Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

Correction: The ZeroHalloweenParty would have been in '86. I was in Benin having a different sort of Halloween party altogether in '87. (A good one, too-- but that's another story.)

rich holloway wrote:

Mary-- Having just returned from Tom Palmer's house minutes ago, I can report that a) Matt Palmer is waaaayyyy taller than his father; b) Alexa is already (at 15) taller than Barbara, and c) this is all quite frightening. We can generalize from these 3 observations that: a) Zero children are generally larger than their parents, b) are growing at an alarming rate, and c) this should be a cause for General Alarm. Please notify the authorities in your area immediately.

Bill- A craft beer inspired and fueled my mission to fish out the zero paperatti that I scanned, for what it's worth. And as it turns out, I preemptively scanned the Halloween invite just for hysterical porpoises, so it's attached for Randy's and anyone else's viewing pleasure.

Randy-- I think this one predates the ZeroHalloweenParty you're talking about, since it would have been '87-- this event was marked by:
  • Random miniature pumpkins appearing all over New West Hall for the week prior
  • Pete dancing/flailing and knocking over a lamp
  • Dick (and Eric) showing up spontaneously all the way from California unannounced, dressed as Bartles and James
  • A 'best costume prize' consisting of an A&P Frozen Pizza (possibly won by Halla Abdalla-- don't remember)
  • An abrupt exit from the ghetto after the "lamp incident" in order to avoid the fire marshal and make it to Franklin Street (favorite costume seen there: a group doing the coconut-banging troupe from the Holy Grail, asking if it was an african or european swallow)
  • Some other stuff I don't remember.
Bill O. Gallmeister wrote:
Indeed. "Zero" was an invention of the Year Of Rich Etcetera's Absence, a.k.a. "The Young Bucks Go Nuts", a.a.k.a. "We're gonna rename SACM too, so there".
The SACM rename was at least instigated by me, though it may well be that you guys bore the brunt of the grand decision that it was. I was (and still am) very anal about names in computer-related entities, and it irked me that SACM really had nothing to do with the central mission of CSA (or whatever it ended up being-- none of the names that made sense were actually catchy-- sound like a familiar problem?).


Oooop-- I'm out of information.

--------------------------------------------




I'm head-scratchin' about where "zero" came from though. Perhaps I was drunk when the name was concocted. It is certainly possible. Anyways, perhaps ZERO refers to:

Zero quarters surrendered due to superfluous Geek Talk after 10 PM on Thursdays
Zero chance of any member having any sort of social engagement (other than with a microVax) at 10 PM on a Thursday.
Zero probability of craft beers
Zero cash in pocket after trip to Heeeznot and subsequent pilgrimage to Grease Cathedral whose name I forget
Zero PQ (Personality Quotient, a measure of potential success in marketing or corporate leadership. Inversely related to DQ: Drooler Quotient)
Zero chance of in-tunedness during acapella renditions of famous hits of the 60s.

There may be more. I'll think about it. There is probability 1 of craft beers in my outside fridge, so I admit to a certain distractedness.

Old? Me? My 14 year old just went to his 8th-grade graduation dance. I am happy to report substantial genetic improvement in PQ, apparently.

----- Original Message ----
From: rich holloway <rlholloway@bellsouth.net>
To: Jeff Templon <jeff.templon@gmail.com>
Cc: zero@spoetzl.net; barbara holloway <holloways@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008 3:51:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

Pardon the delay, but I have been able to successfully transition the following paper artifacts into digital form:
  • Exhibit 1 (zero_beer.jpg): A plea from one early zero (yers truly) to other zeroes to go imbibe. The lengths I had to go to in those days to get people to go out for a beer-- sheesh! This may be the earliest remaining evidence of Thursday night drinking in zero history. Could be 85/86/87-- the brain cells containing this information have long since shuffled off this mortal coil [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_coil].
  • Exhibit 2 (jeff_benin_drawing.jp): A crude Macpaint drawing from one Jeffrey A Templon circa 1987 presaging Barbara's and my "big adventure" in Afreeka.
In my archives, I also found the invitation to the Ghetto Halloween Party of Doom (which featured magazine collage art) and the handwritten map for the 86 Caswell beach trip (remember handwritten maps??). If any old-timers are interested in these, let me know and I'll scan/send them.

One last point: In the early days, the list was called the 'brain-dead' list, if I recall correctly. i think BOG turned it into the 'zero' list.

Are we old yet?

I think so.

Rich,
whose scanner caught fire as he was saving these images to disk. it is now ON FIRE (tm).




Jeff Templon wrote:
Yo,

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:54 PM, <howardlander@mindspring.com> wrote:
For Bill, Cathy and myself et al it was a Masters in Computer Science at UNC-CH. But one of the things I like about this list is how much it has spread out. It is sort if impressive that after 20 or so years, this list is still as active as it is.

Yeah. It's actually a bit older than 20 years. I went digging off in archive land, but found nothing earlier than 1989. I am pretty sure Rich went to Benin in '87, and the list predates that. I am pretty sure it didn't exist before 1985 though.
You're right, it's still pretty active for a list that old! The messages are slightly less weird these days, I guess somebody must have given Crad some tranquilizers.

JT


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Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting


Mary--  Having just returned from Tom Palmer's house minutes ago, I can report that a) Matt Palmer is waaaayyyy taller than his father; b) Alexa is already (at 15) taller than Barbara, and c) this is all quite frightening.  We can generalize from these 3 observations that: a) Zero children are generally larger than their parents, b) are growing at an alarming rate, and c) this should be a cause for General Alarm.  Please notify the authorities in your area immediately.

Bill- A craft beer inspired and fueled my mission to fish out the zero paperatti that I scanned, for what it's worth.  And as it turns out, I preemptively scanned the Halloween invite just for hysterical porpoises, so it's attached for Randy's and anyone else's viewing pleasure. 

Randy-- I think this one predates the ZeroHalloweenParty you're talking about, since it would have been '87-- this event was marked by:
  • Random miniature pumpkins appearing all over New West Hall for the week prior
  • Pete dancing/flailing and knocking over a lamp
  • Dick (and Eric) showing up spontaneously all the way from California unannounced, dressed as Bartles and James
  • A 'best costume prize' consisting of an A&P Frozen Pizza (possibly won by Halla Abdalla-- don't remember)
  • An abrupt exit from the ghetto after the "lamp incident" in order to avoid the fire marshal and make it to Franklin Street (favorite costume seen there: a group doing the coconut-banging troupe from the Holy Grail, asking if it was an african or european swallow)
  • Some other stuff I don't remember.
Bill O. Gallmeister wrote:
Indeed.  "Zero" was an invention of the Year Of Rich Etcetera's Absence, a.k.a. "The Young Bucks Go Nuts", a.a.k.a. "We're gonna rename SACM too, so there".
The SACM rename was at least instigated by me, though it may well be that you guys bore the brunt of the grand decision that it was.  I was (and still am) very anal about names in computer-related entities, and it irked me that SACM really had nothing to do with the central mission of CSA (or whatever it ended up being-- none of the names that made sense were actually catchy-- sound like a familiar problem?).


Oooop-- I'm out of information.

--------------------------------------------




I'm head-scratchin' about where "zero" came from though.  Perhaps I was drunk when the name was concocted.  It is certainly possible.  Anyways, perhaps ZERO refers to:

Zero quarters surrendered due to superfluous Geek Talk after 10 PM on Thursdays
Zero chance of any member having any sort of social engagement (other than with a microVax) at 10 PM on a Thursday.
Zero probability of craft beers
Zero cash in pocket after trip to Heeeznot and subsequent pilgrimage to Grease Cathedral whose name I forget
Zero PQ  (Personality Quotient, a measure of potential success in marketing or corporate leadership.  Inversely related to DQ:  Drooler Quotient)
Zero chance of in-tunedness during acapella renditions of famous hits of the 60s.

There may be more.  I'll think about it.  There is probability 1 of craft beers in my outside fridge, so I admit to a certain distractedness.

Old?  Me?  My 14 year old just went to his 8th-grade graduation dance.  I am happy to report substantial genetic improvement in PQ, apparently.

----- Original Message ----
From: rich holloway <rlholloway@bellsouth.net>
To: Jeff Templon <jeff.templon@gmail.com>
Cc: zero@spoetzl.net; barbara holloway <holloways@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008 3:51:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

Pardon the delay, but I have been able to successfully transition the following paper artifacts into digital form:
  • Exhibit 1 (zero_beer.jpg): A plea from one early zero (yers truly) to other zeroes to go imbibe.  The lengths I had to go to in those days to get people to go out for a beer-- sheesh!  This may be the earliest remaining evidence of Thursday night drinking in zero history.  Could be 85/86/87-- the brain cells containing this information have long since shuffled off this mortal coil [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_coil].
  • Exhibit 2 (jeff_benin_drawing.jp): A crude Macpaint drawing from one Jeffrey A Templon circa 1987 presaging Barbara's and my "big adventure" in Afreeka.
In my archives, I also found the invitation to the Ghetto Halloween Party of Doom (which featured magazine collage art) and the handwritten map for the 86 Caswell beach trip (remember handwritten maps??).  If any old-timers are interested in these, let me know and I'll scan/send them.

One last point: In the early days, the list was called the 'brain-dead' list, if I recall correctly.  i think BOG turned it into the 'zero' list.

Are we old yet?

I think so.

Rich,
whose scanner caught fire as he was saving these images to disk.  it is now ON FIRE (tm).




Jeff Templon wrote:
Yo,

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:54 PM, <howardlander@mindspring.com> wrote:
For Bill, Cathy and myself et al it was a Masters in Computer Science at UNC-CH. But one of the things I like about this list is how much it has spread out. It is sort if impressive that after 20 or so years, this list is still as active as it is.

Yeah.  It's actually a bit older than 20 years.  I went digging off in archive land, but found nothing earlier than 1989.  I am pretty sure Rich went to Benin in '87, and the list predates that.  I am pretty sure it didn't exist before 1985 though.
 
You're right, it's still pretty active for a list that old!  The messages are slightly less weird these days, I guess somebody must have given Crad some tranquilizers.

                    JT


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Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

Indeed.  "Zero" was an invention of the Year Of Rich Etcetera's Absence, a.k.a. "The Young Bucks Go Nuts", a.a.k.a. "We're gonna rename SACM too, so there".

I'm head-scratchin' about where "zero" came from though.  Perhaps I was drunk when the name was concocted.  It is certainly possible.  Anyways, perhaps ZERO refers to:

Zero quarters surrendered due to superfluous Geek Talk after 10 PM on Thursdays
Zero chance of any member having any sort of social engagement (other than with a microVax) at 10 PM on a Thursday.
Zero probability of craft beers
Zero cash in pocket after trip to Heeeznot and subsequent pilgrimage to Grease Cathedral whose name I forget
Zero PQ  (Personality Quotient, a measure of potential success in marketing or corporate leadership.  Inversely related to DQ:  Drooler Quotient)
Zero chance of in-tunedness during acapella renditions of famous hits of the 60s.

There may be more.  I'll think about it.  There is probability 1 of craft beers in my outside fridge, so I admit to a certain distractedness.

Old?  Me?  My 14 year old just went to his 8th-grade graduation dance.  I am happy to report substantial genetic improvement in PQ, apparently.

----- Original Message ----
From: rich holloway <rlholloway@bellsouth.net>
To: Jeff Templon <jeff.templon@gmail.com>
Cc: zero@spoetzl.net; barbara holloway <holloways@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008 3:51:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

Pardon the delay, but I have been able to successfully transition the following paper artifacts into digital form:
  • Exhibit 1 (zero_beer.jpg): A plea from one early zero (yers truly) to other zeroes to go imbibe.  The lengths I had to go to in those days to get people to go out for a beer-- sheesh!  This may be the earliest remaining evidence of Thursday night drinking in zero history.  Could be 85/86/87-- the brain cells containing this information have long since shuffled off this mortal coil [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_coil].
  • Exhibit 2 (jeff_benin_drawing.jp): A crude Macpaint drawing from one Jeffrey A Templon circa 1987 presaging Barbara's and my "big adventure" in Afreeka.
In my archives, I also found the invitation to the Ghetto Halloween Party of Doom (which featured magazine collage art) and the handwritten map for the 86 Caswell beach trip (remember handwritten maps??).  If any old-timers are interested in these, let me know and I'll scan/send them.

One last point: In the early days, the list was called the 'brain-dead' list, if I recall correctly.  i think BOG turned it into the 'zero' list.

Are we old yet?

I think so.

Rich,
whose scanner caught fire as he was saving these images to disk.  it is now ON FIRE (tm).




Jeff Templon wrote:
Yo,

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:54 PM, <howardlander@mindspring.com> wrote:
For Bill, Cathy and myself et al it was a Masters in Computer Science at UNC-CH. But one of the things I like about this list is how much it has spread out. It is sort if impressive that after 20 or so years, this list is still as active as it is.

Yeah.  It's actually a bit older than 20 years.  I went digging off in archive land, but found nothing earlier than 1989.  I am pretty sure Rich went to Benin in '87, and the list predates that.  I am pretty sure it didn't exist before 1985 though.
 
You're right, it's still pretty active for a list that old!  The messages are slightly less weird these days, I guess somebody must have given Crad some tranquilizers.

                    JT



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Re: [Zero] 20 years and counting

Pardon the delay, but I have been able to successfully transition the following paper artifacts into digital form:
  • Exhibit 1 (zero_beer.jpg): A plea from one early zero (yers truly) to other zeroes to go imbibe.  The lengths I had to go to in those days to get people to go out for a beer-- sheesh!  This may be the earliest remaining evidence of Thursday night drinking in zero history.  Could be 85/86/87-- the brain cells containing this information have long since shuffled off this mortal coil [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_coil].
  • Exhibit 2 (jeff_benin_drawing.jp): A crude Macpaint drawing from one Jeffrey A Templon circa 1987 presaging Barbara's and my "big adventure" in Afreeka.
In my archives, I also found the invitation to the Ghetto Halloween Party of Doom (which featured magazine collage art) and the handwritten map for the 86 Caswell beach trip (remember handwritten maps??).  If any old-timers are interested in these, let me know and I'll scan/send them.

One last point: In the early days, the list was called the 'brain-dead' list, if I recall correctly.  i think BOG turned it into the 'zero' list.

Are we old yet?

I think so.

Rich,
whose scanner caught fire as he was saving these images to disk.  it is now ON FIRE (tm).




Jeff Templon wrote:
Yo,

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:54 PM, <howardlander@mindspring.com> wrote:
For Bill, Cathy and myself et al it was a Masters in Computer Science at UNC-CH. But one of the things I like about this list is how much it has spread out. It is sort if impressive that after 20 or so years, this list is still as active as it is.

Yeah.  It's actually a bit older than 20 years.  I went digging off in archive land, but found nothing earlier than 1989.  I am pretty sure Rich went to Benin in '87, and the list predates that.  I am pretty sure it didn't exist before 1985 though.
 
You're right, it's still pretty active for a list that old!  The messages are slightly less weird these days, I guess somebody must have given Crad some tranquilizers.

                    JT

 
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